Here is a stand-alone edition of my interview with Mark Crispin Miller conducted on July 16, 2021. Mark is the professor of film and communications at New York University who caused a stir by encouraging his students to read for themselves whether wearing a mask can prevent a virus. Our wide-ranging conversation considers the history of media and propaganda, and its use by political and corporate actors. This is an uncut, unedited full recording. Note, here is that Moderna website.
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