Isaac George interviews Eric Francis: How the Chiron Return team broke open the Covid story; and media theorist Andrew McLuhan

Eric Francis working out of a motel room in New Paltz, NY, circa 2007. Photo by Danielle Voirin.

This is a scheduled week off for Planet Waves FM — I am pausing one program every six weeks. Today, I have two fun items for you: one is a conversation with Isaac George about how the Chiron Return team unraveled the Covid story. The other is a discussion with media theorist Andrew McLuhan from his series of interviews. Andrew and his dad Eric have made many appearances on Planet Waves FM over the years. Where as most media students go to university to learn about the ideas of the McLuhans (my dad, for who got his Ph.D. in media ecology from New York University) I get to study with them. This is like taking guitar lessons from Mark Knopfler. The discussion with Andrew is great fun; lots comes out.